Eat Your Way to Better Brain Health – Mindbodygreen Podcast

Why are rates of depression rising so dramatically?

Is red meat good or bad for mental health? 

What foods should you eat regularly for brain health? 

Tune in for  this recent podcast interview I did with my longtime friend and CEO of MindBodyGreen, Jason Wachob, to find out!

These last few weeks leading up to the launch of Eat to Beat Depression and Anxiety have been such an amazing experience! So many interviews and podcasts to go on. But this one was special. We’ve known each other for several years now and it’s always so nice to connect with Jason. 

In this episode, we discuss the most important parts of Eat to Beat Depression and Anxiety. We also dive into the current mental health crisis and how we can use Nutritional Psychiatry to combat it.

I hope you’ll tune in! 

Listen on: Spotify,, Stitcher


  • [03:05] How depression rates increased so much
  • [05:05] Increased risk due to a shift to the modern diet
  • [07:11] Depressive behaviors got worse when social media launched
  • [08:50] Nutrients for anxiety and depression
  • [10:30] How nutritional psychiatry improves brain function 
  • [12:30] Lithium is one of the original elements
  • [14:25] Food has been missing from the conversation and has been misrepresented
  • [16:45] Smiles study results
  • [18:35] The takeaway of the new book, Eat to Beat Anxiety and Depression
  • [19:15] My take on red meat
  • [24:30] Biggest missed opportunity within the mental health space
  • [28:00] What food I serve my family
  • [30:15] What foods to start adding to your diet now
  • [33:30] Dark chocolate brain benefits
  • [37:19] Why BDNF is critical for health 
  • [41:44] How we grow new brain cells


  • [04:31] “There’s been a tremendous shift in diet..The traditional diets tend to decrease the risk of depression by between 25-50% in most of the epidemiological studies.”
  • [06:05] “About an hour and a half of exercise a week you decrease the burden of depression worldwide by about 10%”
  • [08:35] “There’s certain nutrients throughout history and throughout psychiatry we’ve just known as important in terms of mental health.”
  • [10:30] “Nutritional psychiatry is about how food influences a few things…how it influences brain growth through better brain nutrition…”
  • [18:29] “It’s really important for everybody listening, everyone with a brain to know how to feed it”
  • [22:07] “I think you could have a brain healthy diet eating red meat. I think you could have a brain healthy diet not eating red meat. And I think the only person who can decide what that’s going to mean for your health is you.”
  • [36:40] “What I really want to challenge people is to know themselves, to look at this data, to consider this and I hope to agree with the data that everybody can intuitively know what you eat really affects your perception, how you feel, how anxious you are…”

Drew Ramsey, MD

Drew Ramsey, M.D. is a psychiatrist, author, and farmer. He is a clear voice in the mental health conversation and one of psychiatry’s leading proponents of using nutritional interventions. He is an assistant clinical professor of psychiatry at Columbia University College of Physicians and Surgeons.

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